No, you still have to go up higher.

No to both. It's a ways up there.

The old and heavily rutted FS trail to the summit meets the PCT. It's been a few years but I remember it being pretty obvious. It was a mile or so f...

I'm pretty sure it's not a wilderness area. This is an abandoned trail.    

Somewhere in Olallie Country? Olallie Butte?  

Oh yeah, nothing better than a woman in 1920s high lace boots. Well maybe a couple things better.

I did see the GS on the '16 map. It looks like the road wiped it out, depending on how accurate the old map is. Such a busy place, hard to believe i...

Don you're hilarious! Hey the old maps show the trail starting at a different place. Did the powerlines wipe out this original beginning?

It..............is! And quite a guess! It's actually steps from the Clackamas, where the trail used to cross the river, somehow... Congrats, yo...

Oh geesh you're right, UP stream. Who's on first?  

You're in the ballpark. Go downstream.

No roads, just lots of water and erosion. Big trees nearby.

It is a riparian area, just west of big waters.